Comments on: The Evils of Flickr http://www.howtospoter.com/web-20/seo/the-evils-of-flickr WordPress Web 2.0 Guide For Social Networks Age! Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:22:20 +0000 By: Stephen Cronin http://www.howtospoter.com/web-20/seo/the-evils-of-flickr#comment-13816 Stephen Cronin Wed, 14 May 2008 06:56:16 +0000 http://www.howtospoter.com/web-20/seo/the-evils-of-flickr#comment-13816 Hi Alex, I use Flickr images on one of my sites, but I host them myself (ie I download them from Flickr and upload them to my server). I wasn't thinking of search when I decided this, I just preferred the control of using my own server... I'll have to conctrate more on the search aspect. Thanks! Stephen Cronins last blog post..<a href="http://www.scratch99.com/2008/05/change-to-google-search-with-quotes/" rel="nofollow">Change To Google Search With Quotes</a> Hi Alex,

I use Flickr images on one of my sites, but I host them myself (ie I download them from Flickr and upload them to my server). I wasn’t thinking of search when I decided this, I just preferred the control of using my own server… I’ll have to conctrate more on the search aspect. Thanks!

Stephen Cronins last blog post..Change To Google Search With Quotes

]]> By: andrew goulding http://www.howtospoter.com/web-20/seo/the-evils-of-flickr#comment-13612 andrew goulding Sat, 03 May 2008 06:07:12 +0000 http://www.howtospoter.com/web-20/seo/the-evils-of-flickr#comment-13612 Like Zo, I hadn't used Flickr yet, but thanks for pointing out what is an entirely logical supposition(?). ADG Like Zo, I hadn’t used Flickr yet, but thanks for pointing out what is an entirely logical supposition(?). ADG

]]> By: Monika Mundell http://www.howtospoter.com/web-20/seo/the-evils-of-flickr#comment-13425 Monika Mundell Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:09:34 +0000 http://www.howtospoter.com/web-20/seo/the-evils-of-flickr#comment-13425 @ Gary: thanks for this great and valuable feedback. So do I understand you correctly by thinking you are going to just host the images yourself? What about bloggers like me who don't have a range of applicable images? Do you propose to upload them to our server instead (from Google image search) and then just credit the image to the person who owns it, or am I getting this totally mixed up? <em>Monika Mundell's last blog post..<a href='http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/thewritersmanifesto/blogfeed/~3/276140879/' rel="nofollow">Finding Work - Freelance Writing Guide</a></em> @ Gary: thanks for this great and valuable feedback. So do I understand you correctly by thinking you are going to just host the images yourself?

What about bloggers like me who don’t have a range of applicable images? Do you propose to upload them to our server instead (from Google image search) and then just credit the image to the person who owns it, or am I getting this totally mixed up?

Monika Mundell’s last blog post..Finding Work - Freelance Writing Guide

]]> By: Gary http://www.howtospoter.com/web-20/seo/the-evils-of-flickr#comment-13423 Gary Thu, 24 Apr 2008 05:23:21 +0000 http://www.howtospoter.com/web-20/seo/the-evils-of-flickr#comment-13423 One other bit of data. As a pro user, I went and checked my stats on Flickr. My lifetime referrals from Google (to my Flickr account) 2,999 My lifetime referrals from Yahoo (to my Flickr account ) 2,160 I think Google's share of the search engine market is like 6x that of Yahoo. If Yahoo and Google are providing similar levels of traffic, and there are many times more searches being performed on Google, then something is clearly wrong. (it might be Yahoo giving preference to Flickr, but I think there is evidence in the other direction as well). <em>Gary's last blog post..<a href='http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/EverythingEverywhere/~3/276633766/' rel="nofollow">Disaster Averted</a></em> One other bit of data.

As a pro user, I went and checked my stats on Flickr.

My lifetime referrals from Google (to my Flickr account) 2,999
My lifetime referrals from Yahoo (to my Flickr account ) 2,160

I think Google’s share of the search engine market is like 6x that of Yahoo.

If Yahoo and Google are providing similar levels of traffic, and there are many times more searches being performed on Google, then something is clearly wrong. (it might be Yahoo giving preference to Flickr, but I think there is evidence in the other direction as well).

Gary’s last blog post..Disaster Averted

]]> By: Gary http://www.howtospoter.com/web-20/seo/the-evils-of-flickr#comment-13422 Gary Thu, 24 Apr 2008 05:13:41 +0000 http://www.howtospoter.com/web-20/seo/the-evils-of-flickr#comment-13422 I have a very photo heavy blog. I post a daily travel photo from my trips around the world and I've won awards for my photography. (visit my site to see) Until now I've hosted everything on Flickr. Then I noticed how much traffic other blogs similar to mine were getting from Google Image search. I am basically getting zero traffic from Google Image search. I have more RSS subscribers, same or similar PR, I post more frequently, I optimize my "alt" and "title" tags for search. The big difference is that they host images on their server and I host on Flickr. I began doing searching for common phrases like "statue of liberty" or other famous things. Flickr images are nowhere to be found. I've had a few of my images hosted on other sites for interviews I've done. Those images rank higher than the ones I have on Flickr....and they're my images!! I think more research needs to be done, but based on my investigation, Flickr is death to image searching. I've found nothing to contradict this. You can find Flickr images if you have a very narrow search, but even then, I think they have a penalty applied to it. I have over 3,600 images on Flickr. I have over 200 contacts. In the last 30 days, Flickr was only my #16 referring site sending me 71 visits (a little more than 2 per day). I'm going to install the open source Gallery photo management platform and run a script to import everything from Flickr. I'll keep my Flickr account so I can submit to groups and do social networking things, but for my primary image hosting, I'm moving everything in house. <em>Gary's last blog post..<a href='http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/EverythingEverywhere/~3/276633766/' rel="nofollow">Disaster Averted</a></em> I have a very photo heavy blog. I post a daily travel photo from my trips around the world and I’ve won awards for my photography. (visit my site to see)

Until now I’ve hosted everything on Flickr.

Then I noticed how much traffic other blogs similar to mine were getting from Google Image search. I am basically getting zero traffic from Google Image search. I have more RSS subscribers, same or similar PR, I post more frequently, I optimize my “alt” and “title” tags for search. The big difference is that they host images on their server and I host on Flickr.

I began doing searching for common phrases like “statue of liberty” or other famous things. Flickr images are nowhere to be found.

I’ve had a few of my images hosted on other sites for interviews I’ve done. Those images rank higher than the ones I have on Flickr….and they’re my images!!

I think more research needs to be done, but based on my investigation, Flickr is death to image searching. I’ve found nothing to contradict this. You can find Flickr images if you have a very narrow search, but even then, I think they have a penalty applied to it.

I have over 3,600 images on Flickr. I have over 200 contacts. In the last 30 days, Flickr was only my #16 referring site sending me 71 visits (a little more than 2 per day).

I’m going to install the open source Gallery photo management platform and run a script to import everything from Flickr.

I’ll keep my Flickr account so I can submit to groups and do social networking things, but for my primary image hosting, I’m moving everything in house.

Gary’s last blog post..Disaster Averted

]]> By: Monika Mundell http://www.howtospoter.com/web-20/seo/the-evils-of-flickr#comment-13371 Monika Mundell Sun, 20 Apr 2008 22:21:30 +0000 http://www.howtospoter.com/web-20/seo/the-evils-of-flickr#comment-13371 @ Zo: thanks for your comment. Flickr has worked for me ever since I use them. I do however accept that not everybody will think the same, so it's ok to use other services too. I know that many marketers use a paid service where they pay $1/post. While this doesn't seem like much, it surely adds up, especially if you write as many blog posts as I do, LOL. <em>Monika Mundell's last blog post..<a href='http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/thewritersmanifesto/blogfeed/~3/272914915/' rel="nofollow">Freelance Writing Blog Crawl - Round Three</a></em> @ Zo: thanks for your comment. Flickr has worked for me ever since I use them. I do however accept that not everybody will think the same, so it’s ok to use other services too. I know that many marketers use a paid service where they pay $1/post. While this doesn’t seem like much, it surely adds up, especially if you write as many blog posts as I do, LOL.

Monika Mundell’s last blog post..Freelance Writing Blog Crawl - Round Three

]]> By: Zo http://www.howtospoter.com/web-20/seo/the-evils-of-flickr#comment-13344 Zo Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:01:44 +0000 http://www.howtospoter.com/web-20/seo/the-evils-of-flickr#comment-13344 hi Monika, interesting point of view; not really used Flickr much yet butwill to keep your comments in mind when I do. <em>Zo's last blog post..<a href='http://freeleadsandfreetraffic.com/blog/auto-submitter/' rel="nofollow">Does an auto submitter work?</a></em> hi Monika,

interesting point of view; not really used Flickr much yet butwill to keep your comments in mind when I do.

Zo’s last blog post..Does an auto submitter work?

]]> By: TheSpot-er http://www.howtospoter.com/web-20/seo/the-evils-of-flickr#comment-13310 TheSpot-er Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:07:12 +0000 http://www.howtospoter.com/web-20/seo/the-evils-of-flickr#comment-13310 No problem Monika! No problem Monika!

]]> By: Monika Mundell http://www.howtospoter.com/web-20/seo/the-evils-of-flickr#comment-13309 Monika Mundell Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:56:17 +0000 http://www.howtospoter.com/web-20/seo/the-evils-of-flickr#comment-13309 Thanks Alex, good to know and I appreciate this. :-) <em>Monika Mundell's last blog post..<a href='http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/thewritersmanifesto/blogfeed/~3/268843514/' rel="nofollow">A Few Hickups</a></em> Thanks Alex, good to know and I appreciate this. :-)
Monika Mundell’s last blog post..A Few Hickups

]]> By: TheSpot-er http://www.howtospoter.com/web-20/seo/the-evils-of-flickr#comment-13308 TheSpot-er Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:49:37 +0000 http://www.howtospoter.com/web-20/seo/the-evils-of-flickr#comment-13308 @ Lea, good point :) I guess it depends on the personal preferences. I could be completely wrong - but still stick to what I know based on my experience BUT without ignoring the flickr all together... which brings me to next reply @Monika - no, please do continue to use them :D. I would hate to loose interactivity on your posts but removing images and knowing how you work - it would be unrealistic for me to request to do it the way I do. I'll compensate for the few images you post with those that I add :D hopefully the combination of two will even out. @ Lea, good point :) I guess it depends on the personal preferences. I could be completely wrong - but still stick to what I know based on my experience BUT without ignoring the flickr all together… which brings me to next reply

@Monika - no, please do continue to use them :D. I would hate to loose interactivity on your posts but removing images and knowing how you work - it would be unrealistic for me to request to do it the way I do.

I’ll compensate for the few images you post with those that I add :D hopefully the combination of two will even out.

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